Branch managers and platform staff learn to lead more effective discovery conversations with small businesses. Talking Business with Small Business™ complements and adds power to any sales training program you may now be using.
 
 

 

What graduates of Talking Business
are saying:

My first call after the training was the best call I've ever had. I had more direction and asked better and more intelligent questions. As a result, the prospect opened up and gave me all kinds of information. Before Talking Business, my conversations would end short. Now I was able to ask a lot of cash flow questions about receivables, payables and borrowing needs. The business is a stationery store and boutique and jewelry shop owned by same person. Her existing location was slower in getting up to speed than she had hoped for, and she's taken on a lot of personal debt to fund the business. We're working on a plan and have arrangged to meet next week to discuss options.

– Lisa G.


I've asked some questions I never would have thought to ask, on the first call I made after taking theTalking Business training.
 I started out asking about the seasonality of the prospect's business. He had been offered some special seasonal deals and needed funding.  He will be moving  his business to a new space and requested a term loan. He purchased the business from previous owner who was our customer. The prospect didn't bank with us before my call. We are opening a line of credit this month and a term loan in December to meet his needs. Talking Business helped me understand the changes in his business from when he started to where he is now and to have a conversation that led to new business fo our bank.

– Judy R.


Before my first call after the training, I worked hard... made up a list of questions, thought about the story of the business, and had all these great cash flow questions. When we got into the call with an optometrist... he volunteered a litany of things. What helped me was... I could ask more intelligent questions. In subsequent calls, the learning I got out of it has helped me ask better questions and interpret their answers.

– David M.

My fourth call of the week was my best. I've been calling on this prospect a pharmacist, for 4 months. He's hard to get hold of. I really was a lot more prepared than I would have been if I hadn't taken Talking Business. We focused on his cash flow. We got into how he bills. Hes talked about how he had to pay quickly, but his customers paid slowly.  "Is there any way you could restructure that" – "I never thought of it" – "Could you slow your payments down a little to 30 days"– would look at it.  I helped him think about his business differently. I'm getting back with him this week to discuss how our products and services can help.

– Cindy L.

Went on call with insurance agent... Don't know we'll get his business... small town loyalty and banks there.  I talked about what we could do for other businesses... felt more comfortable, think we'll get some referral business. The call went smoothly and felt easier. I felt more prepared – asking questions, listening to answers, and coming up with ideas. We discussed the business timing issues from the simulation and how they applied to his business. I wouldn't have asked those questions before nor have been able to undersand the responses.

– Mark B.

What's cool is the flow. If you have the first couple of questions in mind, I can talk to BM or FSRs to help them think through the flow of the information rather than providing them with a document. I don't want them to crutch on the document. Your value lies in being able to help people get cash faster, get earning assets to earn more. It has been helpful to back people up from "how to sell a line" to "this line of credit does what for these people."  I was assuming the branch managers I was talking to already knew this stuff.  After going through the training, I saw that the BM didn't see "step 1" when I was at "step 3" – that they need to understand "if the customer says they need a line of credit, what it's for and what it's going to accomplish."S

– Rebecca D.

 
 
 
 
 
Outcomes
 

You probably want to know, "What sales results can I expect from this training?"

Talking Business graduates develop conversational mastery of important terms (e.g. gross profit, net income, balance sheet, depreciation, borrowing cause, loan purpose, repayment source).

They develop a keen sense of whether a borrowing situation is likely to be met with lines of credit, term loans, or other loan products. They understand and are able to engage small business owners in a romping discussion of cash flow management challenges and the impact of bank products on those challenges; and they'll know how to structure a good, solid small business sales call.

To illustrate the impact Talking Business has on its graduates and the sales results you can expect, we have created a set of two imagined conversations. Both are based on actual reports from bankers who have completed the program. The first conversation occurs before completing Talking Business and the second one after.


TWO CONVERSATIONS

First, some background:


   Joe Evans
Joe Evans is president of US Tops, Inc., a small manufacturing company that makes specialty bottle caps for the beverage industry. The company is 3 years old. Recently, Bubble Up, the leading trade magazine for bottlers, took note of US Tops newly patented cap and business skyrocketed. Sales doubled from one million to a projected two million dollars annually.
 

   Mary White
After her third year as a platform salesperson at the Walnut Avenue branch of Sunrise Bank, a regional banking institution with a strong presence in the suburbs, Mary White was recognized by the bank for her administrative skills and pleasant ways with customers. When the current manager left to open a new branch, White was promoted to manager. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Conversation #1 – Before Talking Business

In this conversation, Mary White has little financial background beyond what she’s learned in platform sales and the mostly administrative training she received upon her promotion to branch manager.  She has not taken the Talking Business with Small Business program.

We’ll make short work of presenting this first conversation because, in truth, these conversations are all too often typically short. 

Evans approaches White to discuss his account.  After an exchange of greetings, Joe explains that he would like to double his line of credit to help him manage a sudden and dramatic increase in sales.  He tells White about the article in Bubble Up.

White looks up the US Tops account on her computer and after a quick look hands Evans a loan application. 

“Review and complete this with your accountant, and we’ll see what we can do,” she says. “And if you need any help with or have any questions about the application, please don’t hesitate to contact me.” 

Evans thanks her and leaves with the loan application.

Reflections on Conversation #1 – What can we say about this conversation? It was short, polite and to the point. To be sure, Mary responded to Evans' request and helped advance his mission.  But no relationship was built with the customer.  Evans received no counsel about whether doubling his line of credit would be the best approach to addressing his cash flow issues. He might just as well have picked up the application from a rack or downloaded an application from the bank’s website.  In the latter case, Evans would have saved a trip to the bank and accomplished the same thing.


Conversation #2 – After Talking Business

In this conversation, we visit the same situation, only this time White has just completed the Talking Business with Small Business program.  Her learning experience has given her new confidence in relating to business owners, and she has become more comfortable discussing the operational and financial issues that are their everyday primary concerns. 

We present this second conversation in two scenes. It's a long one—as it should be:

Scene 1

Joe Evans approaches Mary White to discuss his account.  After an exchange of greetings, Evans explains that he would like to double his line of credit to help him manage a sudden and dramatic increase in sales.  He tells White about the recent article in Bubble Up.

“Wow!” says White, “That’s terrific publicity! What kind of impact is the article having on your business? ”

“Well, it’s been three months since the Bubble Up article appeared and, if I project out annual sales based on what has happened in the past 90 days, it looks like we’re going to double or even triple our business for the year,” Evans responds. “Frankly, I’m quite overwhelmed now.  Managing this sudden increase in orders from customer contact to production to shipping and invoicing has become quite a challenge.”

White considers his situation. Based on what Evans has just told her, she realizes Sunshine bank might be able to help in several ways beyond extending his line of credit.  She looks up the US Tops account and sees that it’s in good standing.

White says, “Well, I could give you an application for your line of credit extension and, if it’s okay with you, I’d like to come see your operation. I think there may be many more ways the bank can make your life easier getting through this growth spurt. Do you think you can squeeze me in?”  

“If you can make my life easier, I’ll make some time. When can you come?” Evans replies.

They arrange to meet the next morning.

Scene 2

When White arrives at the US Tops facility, Evans offers her a tour of the factory. As they start, White asks, "What are your goals for the business at this point, and how have they changed as a result of the new volume surge?"

"Well, I was shooting for growth of about 20% per year – hoping to bring the business to about $5 million over the next 5 to 7 years," Evans replies. "But if we get another review like this one, I may have to double that target!"

"That's terrific! A lot of growth. That will mean a lot of changes. In the plant. In the back office. In your cash flow. Is your head spinning?"

"Yes," replied Evans. It's a lot to think about."

After completing the tour, they return to Evans' office.

“Well, that’s very impressive,” says White. “I never realized how much there was involved in making bottle caps.”

“It keeps me busy,” says Evans. “We are now shipping bottle caps to over 80 bottling companies all over the country.”

"So," asks White," How do you see your major priorities at this point?"

"Cash flow, first," responds Evans. "Doing everything I can to accelerate cash flow. Expanding the line to cover me during slow cash periods. And, we'll need to acquire additional space and equipment when we cross the $4 million mark. Until then, I can run more shifts."

"So, now that I understand your goals and major priorities, tell me about how you manage your cash flow. Let's start with receivables and collections. How much have your accounts receivable increased as a result of this sales rush?”

“About $200K.”

“And long is your collection period?”

 “It was averaging just about 30 days. Now it’s up to about 45 days."

“How do you expect that to change?”

“I'm not sure. If our sales continue rising, it will probably get worse before it gets better.”

“Here’s something to think about,” said White taking out her pocket calculator. “If you are anticipating sales of—let’s say $2.5 million—and you were able to manage your collections so that your receivables held at 30 days instead of 45, you could have an extra $102,740 in available cash.”

“Wow!” Evans exclaimed. “I might not need to borrow as much as I thought. That much extra cash can go a long way towards helping me fund our operations!”

“Managing your cash flow is a critical activity,” confirmed White. “Especially during periods of rapid growth. And we have some great tools to help you.”

Continuing her questioning, White asked “How much is your typical invoice?”

“I guess it averages about $2,500,” Evans replies.

“And you’re sending out 80 invoices every month?” White asks.  “How do you manage the bookkeeping?”

“Our accountant had been sending someone in once a week. Now he’s coming twice a week, but I think we’re going to have to hire someone full time. The workload is just too much for him.”

“Does he also take the checks to the bank?” asked White.

“Yes. And sometimes it’s a week or more before they get deposited.  He’s just too busy with invoicing, collecting, posting and payroll to make a run to the bank.”

"And how many accounts are you using at this point?"

Evans responded, "Three. An operating account, a payroll account, and a money market savings account."

“Hmmm. I have some ideas that might reduce some of that paperwork and speed the conversion of your accounts receivable into working cash,” White replied. 

“I’d like to hear more about that.”

“Great. We’ll get there. But first there’s one more cash management area I’d like to explore with you. We've talked about invoicing, collection, and depositing. We can also help with your disbursements,” White continued. “You mentioned late fees…I’m thinking it would be helpful for you to know each day exactly how much cash you need to cover the checks presented for payment to your account.”

“It sure would,” replied Evans.

“We have an excellent service that can give you that information every morning, said White. “But first, let me ask: how are you handling your payments?”

“We write and mail checks twice a month to our employees, landlord, vendors, and utilities. We probably send out 30 – 40 checks a month."

"How is that process working for you?"

Evans replied, "It takes, probably, 12 – 15 hours a month, to handle the outgoing checks. A lot of time. And sometimes we don’t have enough on hand. We’ve paid a few overdraft fees in the past, and are probably keeping $20,000 in the account now as a defense."

“Right, said White. “I have a couple of ideas here, too. For example, you could be investing that extra cash in one our sweep investment accounts. Your excess cash would be automatically invested in short-term instruments and automatically returned to your operating account when needed.”

Evans considered the benefits of the services White described.  Perhaps he could put off hiring a full-time bookkeeper until he had a better handle on how this growth spurt was going to play out.  And knowing just how much he needed in his checking account to cover the day’s checks would save him overdraft fees—especially when things were tight. Evans also gave him something else to consider: If he could speed the conversion of his receivables into working cash, he might not have to borrow as much as he thought.

“How can I learn more about these services?” Evans asked.

“Is there anything else about how you're managing your cash flow or using your loans that we should talk about?"

"No, replied Evans.

"Well, let's talk through some of the ideas that could help, to make sure I'm understanding your challenges properly. Assuming we're on track, I would like to share a copy of your most recent analysis statement with our Cash Management team and get back to you with a proposal.  We can present it to you in a week or so.”

“Let’s get started,” Evans smiled. 

Reflections on Conversation #2 – The Talking Business with Small Business program, empowered White with the knowledge, skills and confidence she needed to conduct an engaging business conversation with her small business client.  She now has a better understanding of the bank’s cash management products and how they can help her clients. Her selling skills have been transformed.  No longer is she someone who just hands out applications.  She is now capable of behaving like a consultant – understanding the needs of her clients and presenting helpful solutions. The client is engaged. He feels he is talking to someone who understands his business concerns. A trust is built, so he's forthcoming with his responses. And the bank’s lending and fee income just went up a notch.


To learn how you can put Talking Business with Small Business to work in your bank, call Nick Miller at (978) 897.5665 or send him an email: nickmiller@clarityadvantage.com

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